Nov 4, 2016SuspensionFuel systemCrashFire2 deaths
THERE HAS BEEN A FATAL TESLA CRASH IN INDIANA. CRASH SITE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW THAT THE REAR WHEEL HAS SKEWED OVER IN THE WHEEL WELL BUT THERE IS NO DAMAGE TO THE REAR OF THE CAR WHICH COULD HAVE CAUSE THAT TO HAPPEN. THE CAR WAS REPAIRED BY TESLA A FEW MONTHS AGO AFTER IT SUFFERED UNDERCARRIAGE DAMAGE AFTER HITTING A POTHOLE THERE IS A CLEAR PATTERN OF WEAKNESS IN THE SUSPENSION COMPONENTS. IT IS HIGHLY PROBABLE THAT THIS CRASH WAS CAUSED BY A SUSPENSION FAILURE. CRASH SCENE VIDEOS SHOW THE BATTERIES EXPLODING LIKE FIREWORKS. CONTRARY TO TESLA'S CLAIM THAT THE BATTERIES ARE WELL PROTECTED AND WILL ALLOW PLENTY OF TIME FOR THE OCCUPANTS TO ESCAPE IT SHOWS THAT WHEN THE BATTERIES ARE HOT FROM HEAVY USE THEY WILL IGNITE AS SOON AS THE COOLANT ESCAPES. PLEASE INVESTIGATE THIS MATTER URGENTLY BEFORE MORE LIVES ARE LOST.
NHTSA ODI 10924348
Nov 3, 2016Suspension
BALL JOINT EQUIVALENT FRACTURED WHILE PULLING OUT OF GARAGE. FRONT END FELL, NEARLY BRINGING TIRE INTO CONTACT WITH WHEEL WELL.
NHTSA ODI 10924050
Oct 30, 2016Electrical systemDriver assistanceCrash1 injury
I PURCHASED THE TESLA MODEL S ON 10/17 WITH 'AUTOPILOT' HARDWARE AND FEATURES I'VE CONSISTENTLY USED AUTOPILOT ON THE HIGHWAY DURING THE FIRST MONTH I'VE HAD THE VEHICLE. THE AUTOPILOT FEATURE USES CAMERAS AND SENSORS TO MAINTAIN SPEED AND LANE AND AVOID COLLISIONS. THIS CAR ALSO FEATURES ANTI-COLLISION FEATURES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO ENGAGE EVEN WHEN AUTOPILOT IS NOT ENGAGED, TO DETECT BOTH AN OBJECT IN FRONT OF THE CAR AND BRAKE, AS WELL AS DETECT OBJECTS ON EITHER SIDE THAT THE CAR MAY BE HEADED TO COLLIDE WITH AND SWERVE AWAY. THIS FEATURES WERE ALL ENABLED AT TIME OF THE ACCIDENT. AT THE TIME OF ACCIDENT, I HAD AUTOPILOT ENGAGED FOR APPROX 10 MINUTES PRIOR TO ACCIDENT. I WAS STILL WATCHING THE ROAD BUT PERIODICALLY LOOKING AT MY PHONE AS WELL. BEFORE THE ACCIDENT I HAD LOOKED DOWN AT MY PHONE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME I'M NOT SURE ABOUT. I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS LONGER THAN A FEW SECONDS, BUT I CAN'T BE CERTAIN. WHEN I LOOKED UP THE SEMI WAS MERGING IN FRONT OF ME. I WOULD GUESS THAT THE SEMI'S TRAILER WAS PERHAPS 3-4 FEET IN MY LINE, AND I WAS MAYBE 50-100 FEET AWAY. SO IT WAS LESS THAN 1 SECOND PRIOR TO IMPACT. IT WAS SO QUICK THERE WAS NO TIME FOR ME TO EVEN HIT THE BRAKE AND THE CAR WAS NOT BRAKING OR SWERVING TO AVOID COLLISION EITHER. ESSENTIALLY, THE AUTO PILOT DROVE ME RIGHT INTO THE LEFT REAR OF A SEMI TRACTOR TRAILER AT 70 MPH AND THE SENSORS/CAMERAS FOR SOME REASON DID NOT DETECT THIS COLLISION. *TR
NHTSA ODI 10920103
Oct 26, 2016SuspensionTransmission & drivetrain
THERE ARE MANY TESLAS IN THE WRECKING YARDS WITH BROKEN FRONT SUSPENSIONS. OWNERS ARE COMPLAINING ON THE FORUMS OF VIBRATION PROBLEMS THAT ARE CAUSING DAMAGE TO THE DRIVE SHAFTS. TESLA SEEMS UNABLE TO FIX THIS PROBLEM AND IT MAY BE CREATING A RISK OF SUDDEN FAILURE. HTTPS://TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM/TMC/THREADS/FRONT-VIBRATION-WHEN-ACCELERATING-ACCELEROMETER-GRAPHS.72268/PAGE-2 SAMPLE: @MMCCORD UNFORTUNATELY REPLACING THE HALF-SHAFTS DID SOLVE THE PROBLEM BUT ONLY FOR ONE MONTH. THE VIBRATION CAME BACK. AFTER FOUR ATTEMPTS BY THE SC TO FIX IT THE CAR STILL HAS THE VIBRATION. NOW THAT YOU MENTIONED HIGH SETTING NOW I CAN REPLICATE THE PROBLEM EVERY TIME. IT ALSO EXPLAINS WHY ONLY IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES I GOT THE VIBRATION. MY DRIVEWAY IS A BIT HIGHER THAN THE MAIN ROAD SO I HAVE THE SUSPENSION SET TO HIGH WHEN I ARRIVE HOME. WHEN I USUALLY LEAVE BEFORE HITTING A HIGHER SPEED ROAD THE SUSPENSION WILL STAY TO HIGH. THE MOMENT I PULL INTO A HIGH SPEED ROAD ( > 35 MPH, WHICH IS THE THRESHOLD FOR STANDARD SETTING), EVEN A MILD ACCELERATION WILL CAUSE THE SHUDDER. I HAD THE FOLLOWING WORK DONE: FRONT RIGHT HALFSHAFT - DUAL MOTOR (1030616-00-A) FRONT LEFT HALFSHAFT - DUAL MOTOR (1030615-00-A) FRONT JACKSHAFT ASSEMBLY - DUAL MOTOR (1030632-00-A) SDU RE ALIGNMENT FRONT DRIVE UNIT MOUNTING BUSHES ADJUSTING NONE OF THAT SOLVED THE PROBLEM OR SOLVED IT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS. MY CONCLUSION IS THAT THE CAR DOESN'T BODE TO WELL WHEN TRANSITIONING FROM HIGH TO STANDARD SETTING WHILE YOU ACCELERATE MILDLY OR STRONGER. I USE IT DAILY AT LEAST TWO LOCATIONS AND NOW IT EXPLAINS WHY I AM GETTING THE SHUDDER AFTER LEAVING IN EXACTLY SAME SPOT. AND YES IT WILL WEAR THE HALF SHAFTS PREMATURELY. ANYONE HAD THIS PROBLEM FIXED FOR GOOD? MY SC SEEMS CLUELESS AND THE WHOLE SITUATION IS EMBARRASSING FOR THEM REALLY. *TR
NHTSA ODI 10919206
Oct 19, 2016Electrical systemFire
HERE IS ANOTHER BURNED OUT TESLA IN THE SALVAGE YARD HTTPS://WWW.COPART.COM/LOT/34875876/PHOTOS?RESULTINDEX=14&TOTALRECORDS=21&BACKTO=%2FLOTSEARCHRESULTS%2F%3FFREE%3DTRUE&QUERY=TESLA&QUERY=TESLA&DISPLAYSTR=SEARCH%20RESULTS TESLA CLAIMS THE FIRE PROBLEM HAS BEEN CURED BY THE ADDITION OF A TITANIUM SHIELD. SO WHY ARE THERE SO MANY BURNED OUT TESLAS IN THE JUNKYARDS?
NHTSA ODI 10917405
Oct 19, 2016Electrical systemElectronic Stability Control (esc)
I RECEIVED THE CAR ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND THE FRONT DASHBOARD CONSOLE THAT IS A SCREEN IN FRONT OF THE WHEEL REBOOTS RANDOMLY WHEN I AM DRIVING..I HAVE TO RE START THE WHOLE SYSTEM EVERYTIME TO GET IT WORKING AND TELL ME THE SPEEDETAILS AND OTHER USEFUL INFORMATION... TESLA SAYS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS AND CAN'T COME TO A CONCLUSION ON HOW YOU FIX IT. *TR
NHTSA ODI 10917452
Oct 12, 2016Speed control
THIS IS ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT. JUST TOUCHING THE STALK CAN MAKE THE CAR GO TO FULL THROTTLE. HTTPS://FORUMS.TESLA.COM/FORUM/FORUMS/NEW-CRUISE-CONTROL-STALK NEW CRUISE CONTROL STALK THE NEW CRUISE CONTROL STALK THAT HAS BEEN MODIFIED FOR AUTOPILOT DOES NOT HAVE A WHITE BUTTON ON THE END TO TURN CRUISE CONTROL ON AND OFF. THE "ON" FOR CRUISE CONTROL IS SIMPLY TAPPING THE STALK TOWARD YOU -- WHICH IS ALL TOO EASY TO DO WHEN REACHING FOR THE TURN SIGNAL. IF THE CRUISE CONTROL'S LAST SETTING WAS 70MPH AND YOU HAPPEN TO BE GOING 10MPH IN TRAFFIC, THE CAR LURCHES FORWARD IN AN ATTEMPT TO REACH THE PRESET SPEED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THIS IS SCARY AND DANGEROUS. KASNIDER50 | OCTOBER 10, 2016 BLUE85D, I CAN'T TELL IF YOU'RE DISPARAGING MY "OUTRAGE" OR NOT. BUT SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME CAR I HAVE, MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE A LITTLE LESS JUDGMENTAL IN ANY CASE. MY OWNER'S MANUAL, SAYS THAT THE BUTTON (THAT NO LONGER IS FEATURED) IS/WAS HOW YOU TURN CRUISE CONTROL ON. ONLY IN THE NEWER MODELS WITHOUT A BUTTON TURN ON CRUISE CONTROL BY PULLING THE STALK TOWARD THE DRIVER. THE MANUAL SAYS NOTHING ABOUT CANCELING CRUISE CONTROL WITH THE BUTTON, ONLY BY PUSHING THE STALK AWAY. SO--I CONTINUE TO WISH THAT IT WEREN'T AS EASY AS IT IS TO TELL THE CAR "I WANT TO GO SEVENTY MILES AN HOUR...NOW!" WHEN YOU'RE TOOLING ALONG IN SLOW TRAFFIC AND SIMPLY WANT TO CHANGE LANES. MORE THAN ONE PERSON IS GOING TO DRIVE THIS CAR, SOME NOT VERY OFTEN...SO I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE HARDER TO ENGAGE THE "RETURN TO PRESET SPEED." YOU CAN CALL THAT OUTRAGE, OR YOU CAN CALL IT COMMON SENSE. IT'S ALL THE SAME TO ME. THESE CARS ARE BEING DRIVEN BY PEOPLE OF VARYING ABILITIES AND CAN EVEN BE RENTED FOR A DAY WITHOUT ANY INSTRUCTION ON THE SPECIAL DANGERS PRESENTED BY AUTOPILOT MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE UNLESS THIS RECKLESS EXPERIMENT IS HALTED
NHTSA ODI 10915628
Oct 11, 2016SteeringSpeed controlBrakes
HOW MUCH MORE EVIDENCE DO YOU NEED TO PROVE THAT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT IS UNSAFE? HTTPS://TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM/TMC/THREADS/AUTOPILOT-FAILED-TO-NOTICE-A-BUS-TODAY.78833/ AUTOPILOT FAILED TO NOTICE A BUS TODAY LOCATION:SACRAMENTO, CA STOPPED AT AN INTERSECTION BEHIND A BUS TODAY AT A RED LIGHT. DECIDED TO LOOK FOR SOME NEW MUSIC SO I TURNED AUTOPILOT ON, SEEING AS HOW I COULDN'T SEE THE RED/GREEN LIGHT AND THAT'D TELL ME WHEN TO PAY ATTENTION (CAR STARTS MOVING... DON'T TELL ME YOU GUYS NEVER USE IT FOR THIS, EITHER!). WAS AT A COMPLETE STOP ABOUT TWO CAR LENGTHS FROM THE BUS. ENGAGED AP. CAR IMMEDIATELY LURCHED FORWARD. HIT BRAKES FAST, WHICH FORTUNATELY MY FOOT WAS ALREADY OVER THE PEDAL AS I'D BEEN PREVIOUSLY STOPPED. SAT FOR A SECOND CONFUSED. I'M NOW ABOUT A CAR LENGTH FROM THE BUS. VERIFIED MY AP WAS SET TO 4 CAR LENGTHS. ENGAGED AGAIN. CAR IMMEDIATELY SHOT FORWARD, HIT BRAKES. CAR DISPLAYED THE WARNING THAT AN OBJECT WAS IN FRONT OF ME. I AM PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT EITHER THE CAR WOULD HAVE EMERGENCY BRAKED OR I WOULD HAVE HIT THE BUS HAD I LEFT IT ENGAGED. IT DEFINITELY PULLED FORWARD FULL-POWER LIKE IT DOES IF THE PERSON IN FRONT OF YOU CHANGES LANES AND THE LANE IS OTHERWISE CLEAR. IT DEFINITELY MADE ME THINK OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO ACCIDENTALLY DROVE INTO BUILDINGS AND SUCH AND THE LITTLE REACTION TIME THEY MUST HAVE HAD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. I'M QUITE AWARE OF HOW CLOSE AP WILL TAKE YOU WHEN STOPPED. THE BEHAVIOR WAS ABNORMAL -- NOT ONLY DID THIS NOT SEEM TO CARE THAT I WAS ALREADY QUITE CLOSE, IT ACCELERATED IMMEDIATELY AND RAPIDLY WHEN ENGAGING AND GAVE NO INDICATION IT WOULD QUIT. TYPICALLY ENGAGING IT WHILE STOPPED OR BEHIND SOMEONE WILL MOVE FORWARD VERY SLIGHTLY IF AT ALL ONCE YOU'RE ALREADY CLOSE.
NHTSA ODI 10915424
Oct 8, 2016SteeringSpeed control
TESLA AUTOPILOT VESION 8 IS STILL PLACING LIVES AT RISK. JUST READ THE OWNERS COMMENTS ON THE FORUMS. HTTPS://TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM/TMC/THREADS/8-0-LOST-OR-DEGRADED-CAPABILITIES.77927/PAGE-9 [XXX], WEDNESDAY AT 5:10 AM NEW AUTOPILOT IS DEFINITELY MORE DANGEROUS IN 8.0 THAN IT WAS IN 7.1. I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CLOSE-CALLS WHERE IF I HAD NOT TAKING OVER, I WOULD HAVE VEERED OFF THE ROAD, INTO ANOTHER VEHICLE, OR SLAMMED INTO THE BACK OF A SLOW-MOVING VEHICLE IN MY LANE IN FRONT OF ME. [XXX], TODAY AT 5:03 AM I WAS DRIVING YESTERDAY WITH AUTOPILOT AT ABOUT 80 MPH APPROACHING STOPPED TRAFFIC (SEPARATION SETTING 7). AS USUAL THE CAR DIDN'T START STOPPING IN TIME AND THEN WHEN IT DID BEGIN TO STOP IT DIDN'T APPLY THE BRAKES HARD ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY STOP IN TIME. EVEN THE COLLISION WARNING WENT OFF JUST AS I BEGAN MANUALLY HITTING THE BRAKES. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE PASS THIS INFO TO TESLA BUT THAT SURELY WAS NOT OPTIMAL. AP IS DEFINITELY SMOOTHER IN TERMS OF ACCELERATION AND DECELERATION, BUT I CAN'T USE IT AS I SERIOUSLY FEAR FOR MY LIFE. NOT GOOD. [XXX], TUESDAY AT 5:17 AM WELL - FINALLY UPDATED AND TOOK A 200 MI TRIP. AESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO ME BUT FUNCTIONALITY TOOK A COUPLE OF STEPS BACK. RUNNING AP I HAD 3 OCCASIONS WHERE AP SWERVED ANOTHER DIRECTION. I AM CONFIDENT THAT HAD I NOT BEEN HOLDING THE WHEEL THERE WAS GREAT POTENTIAL FOR AN ACCIDENT. SEVERAL OCCASIONS WHEN THE CAR QUICKLY SLOWED DOWN AND CAME BACK UP TO SPEED WITH NOTHING NEARBY. NAVIGATION WAS ALL MESSED UP. HAD ME DOING LOOPS AND CUTBACKS ADDING MANY MILES HAD I BLINDLY FOLLOWED IT. NOT EVEN GOING TO MENTION THE AUDIO AND LACK OF WAYPOINTS, ETC....AND THE NEW FREQUENCY OF THE NAG IS ANNOYING. THE CAR REMAINS AWESOME, BUT THIS STUFF IS GOING TO BITE THEM IN THE [XXX] IF THEY CAN'T GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER. PLEASE CAN YOU ENSURE THAT TESLA HAS SOME ADULT SUPERVISION. INFORMATION REDACTED PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(6) *TR
NHTSA ODI 10914848
Oct 5, 2016Suspension
HERE IS ANOTHER TESLA MODEL S WHOSE BACK WHEEL HAS SNAPPED OFF. HTTPS://M.IAAI.COM/VEHICLEDETENC.ASPX?AUCTIONID=0&ITEMID=23148660&ROWID=5&PAGESOURCE=VEHICLERESULTS# THE BROKEN SUSPENSION LINKS CAN BE CLEARLY SEEN. THE TREAD IS WORN AWAY ON THE TIRE INDICATING THAT THE WHEEL WAS TURNING FOR A LONG WHILE BEFORE THE SUSPENSION BROKE COMPLETELY OFF. THE SUSPENSION APPEARS TO HAVE COLLAPSED ON ALL 4 WHEELS CAUSING THE TIRES TO JAM UP INSIDE THE WHEEL WELLS AND PLACING HIGH STRESSES ON THE SUSPENSION COMPONENTS. THIS SAME FAULT IS BEING SEEN OVER AND OVER ON TESLAS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT FITTED WITH BUMP STOPS OR LIMIT STOPS ON THE AIR SUSPENSION. THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS SAFETY DEFECT. PLEASE INVESTIGATE.
NHTSA ODI 10914137
Oct 4, 2016
TESLA S OFFER REAR SEAT OPTION FOR KIDS BUT ITS NOT SAFE FOR THE KIDS AND TEHY SHOULD STOP OFFERING THAT. THE FACT IS THAT THERE IS NO AIR VENT FOR THE ERAR SEATS . ANOTHER WORDS KIDS WILL FEEL HOT IN THE SUMMER AND COLD IN THE WINTER WHICH COULD RESULTS IN INCIDENTS . I HAVE TALKED WITH TESLA CORPORATES AND THEY DONT FEEL LIKE CARING ABOUT . WONDERING HOW WOULD SO CALLED VEHICLE SAFETY DEPARTMENT APPROVED IT WHICH CHECKING THE FACTS AND SAFETY FOR THE KIDS . HOPE TO GET ANSWER AND RESOLUTION ON THIS
NHTSA ODI 10913853
Sep 28, 2016SteeringSpeed control
TESLA HAS CREATED A MONSTER IN THE FORM OF AUTOPILOT. THE FOLLOWING QUOTE FROM AN OWNER EXPLAINS IT PERFECTLY. -- GREEN1, TODAY AT 4:19 AM NEW MDMGSO47 SAID: ↑ SO YOU CAN PUT THE TOP OF ONE THIGH UNDER THE STEERING WHEEL TO KEEP THE WHEEL FROM TURNING AND YOU ARE GOOD?--- THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE LIKELY TO WORK THAN USING YOUR HANDS. IF I USE MY HANDS ONE OF 2 THINGS HAPPENS: 1) IT DOESN'T DETECT MY HANDS BECAUSE I'M EITHER GRIPPING THE WHEEL LIGHTLY, OR AM MAKING THE SAME CORRECTIONS THE CAR IS TO STAY IN THE LANE, OR 2) I GRIP THE WHEEL FIRMLY AND STEER AGAINST THE AUTOSTEER AND IT DISENGAGES AUTOSTEER, AND USUALLY SWERVES OUT OF THE CENTRE OF THE LANE. 1) WILL CAUSE ME TO LOSE THE ABILITY TO USE AUTOSTEER AFTER THE NAGS PUT ME IN THE PENALTY BOX 2) IS DANGEROUS, AND WILL CAUSE ME TO LOSE THE ABILITY TO USE AUTOSTEER AFTER I DISENGAGE IT TRYING TO SATISFY THE NAG I CHOSE OPTION 3) DON'T ADD NAGS TO A SYSTEM THAT WORKED PERFECTLY WELL BEFORE THEM, AND WHICH I OWN SO TESLA HAS NO RIGHT TO REMOVE FEATURES FROM.--- HTTPS://TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM/TMC/THREADS/RED-HANDS-OF-SHAME.77954/PAGE-2 --- PLEASE BAN THIS EXPERIMENTAL AUTOPILOT BEFORE MORE LIVES ARE LOST.
NHTSA ODI 10910303
Sep 26, 2016SteeringSpeed controlBrakes
THIS IS ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT THE AUTOPILOT VERSION 8.0 HERE IS A NEW VIDEO THAT HAS JUST BEEN UPLOADED TO YOUTUBE HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=SC3LURR6LOQ TESLA 8.0 SOFTWARE AUTOPILOT RADAR CHANGE REVIEW THE OWNER HAS JUST DOWNLOADED THE NEW SOFTWARE. HE COMPLAINS THAT HE IS DISAPPOINTED HE NOW MIGHT HAVE TO KEEP HANDS ON THE WHEEL BECAUSE THEN WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING AUTOPILOT? HE TESTS IT OUT ON LOCAL ROADS WITH NO SOLID BARRIER AGAINST ONCOMING TRAFFIC. HE PASSES ONCOMING CARS AND A LINE OF TREES WHILST DRIVING HANDS AND FEET OFF FOR 90% OF THE TIME. HE EXPRESSES A BELIEF THAT THE RADAR NOW MAKES THE SYSTEM SAFER. ELON MUSK HAS STATED THAT THE USE OF RADAR IN VERSION 8.0 MEANS THAT THE FATAL CRASH UNDER A TRUCK WOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE HAPPENED WITH THE NEW VERSION 8.0. MANY OWNERS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DRIVE HANDS FREE FOR 90% OF THE TIME. THIS IS A GIANT STEP BACKWARDS FOR ROAD SAFETY. PLEASE ACT QUICKLY TO PREVENT PEOPLE BEING KILLED.
NHTSA ODI 10909802
Sep 26, 2016Suspension
HERE IS A FORUM POST FROM AN OWNER WHOSE AIR SUSPENSION HAS COLLAPSED (SHORTLY AFTER AN UNRELATED VERY MINOR COLLISION). HTTPS://TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM/TMC/THREADS/AIR-SUSPENSION-FAILING-ON-THE-SAME-DAY-SOMEONE-HIT-ME.77914/#POST-1751484 "DOHMER, 25 MINUTES AGO NEW SERVICE ADVISOR SAID THE TWO DAMAGES ARE UNLIKELY RELATED SO THEY WILL FIX THE SUSPENSION PROBLEM UNDER WARRANTY. SEEMS SERVICE IS PRETTY GOOD SO FAR. I'LL KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY BROKE WHEN I PICK UP THE CAR NEXT WEEK" AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTOGRAPH AND FROM THE OWNERS COMMENTS THE CAR IS ALMOST SCRAPING THE GROUND AND THE WHEELS ARE IN CONTACT WITH THE WHEEL WELL LINERS. THE CAR DOES NOT HAVE BUMP STOPS ON THE SUSPENSION AND A SMALL AIR LEAK CAN CAUSE THE CAR TO BOTTOM OUT. FROM LOOKING AT ALL THE SALVAGE WRECKS IT SEEMS THAT THIS FAILURE IS EXTREMELY COMMON AND CAN ALSO LEAD TO BREAKAGE OF OTHER SUSPENSION PARTS WHEN THE WHEEL WELL LINERS FLOG ABOUT INSIDE THE WELL. I AM SURPRISED THAT THIS CAR COULD PASS REGULATORY STANDARDS IF THERE IS NO BUMP STOP TO PREVENT THE SUSPENSION COLLAPSING TO SUCH A LOW LEVEL. PLEASE ASK THE MANUFACTURER WHY THE CAR DOES NOT HAVE THIS SIMPLE SAFETY FEATURE.
NHTSA ODI 10909837
Sep 25, 2016SteeringSpeed control
THIS IS A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT UPGRADED VERSION 8.0 IT IS CLEAR FROM THE MANY YOUTUBE VIDEOS ALREADY POSTED THAT OWNERS ARE NOW PLACING EVEN MORE TRUST IN THE AUTOPILOT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT THE RADAR AND OTHER ENHANCEMENTS MAKE IT SAFER THAN BEFORE. ALSO THE MESSAGE TO HOLD STEERING WHEEL IS STILL BEING IGNORED AND OWNERS ARE OPERATING HANDS FREE FOR MORE THAN 3 MINUTES AT A TIME WHILE FIDDLING WITH THE DISPLAY SCREEN AND TAKING THEIR EYES OFF THE ROADS. I WILL GIVE YOU LINKS TO VIDEOS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN POSTED AND I AM SURE THAT THERE IS EVEN WORSE BEHAVIOR HAPPENING OFF THE CAMERA. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=ISZ3FSBE_PG OWNER TESTING HOW LONG HE CAN DRIVE HANDS FREE BEFORE AUTOPILOT IS DISABLED HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=G42WDKU11K8 USING AUTOPILOT ON LOCAL ROADS RATHER THAN FREEWAYS WITH A SOLID BARRIER AGAINST ONCOMING TRAFFIC, MUCH OF THE TIME HANDS FREE. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=U7JNHFWZ3EC HANDS FREE, OVERCONFIDENT AND USING AUTOPILOT IN INAPPROPRIATE CIRCUMSTANCES. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=WRM0E5ZO4KQ USING AUTOPILOT ON FREEWAY BUT WITH A LOT OF HANDS FREE TIME AND FIDDLING WITH TOUCH SCREEN. THERE ARE ALSO COMMENTS ON THE VIDEOS THAT THE AUTOPILOT BRAKING IS LEFT UNTIL THE LAST MOMENT AND THAT OWNERS FEAR IT WILL NOT STOP IN TIME. THEN THEY SAY THAT THEY LEARN TO TRUST IT AFTER A WHILE THIS LEAVES LITTLE TIME TO REACT IF THE SYSTEM FAILS. I BELIEVE THAT THE INQUIRY INTO AUTOPILOT SHOULD NOT ONLY LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE OF THE HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY AT THE HUMAN FACTOR. I BELIEVE THAT THIS DECEPTIVELY TITLED AUTOPILOT IS CAUSING DRIVERS TO BEHAVE IN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS WAYS AND THAT THIS WILL CERTAINLY LEAD TO MORE DEATHS.
NHTSA ODI 10909504
Sep 22, 2016SteeringSpeed control
THIS IS ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT TO TRY AND BRING ATTENTION TO THE DANGER POSED TO ALL ROAD USERS. HERE IS A FORUM POST DISCUSSING HOW TO AVOID THE NAG. PEDRISCOLL, TODAY AT 2:51 PM GAVIN.BELSON SAID: ↑ I HAVE THIS EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE. I HAVE ALWAYS ASSUMED THAT IT'S LIKE THIS FOR EVERYONE, BUT FROM SOME OF THE OTHER POSTS IN THIS THREAD, MAYBE I'M WRONG. DO OTHERS FIND THAT SIMPLY RESTING THEIR HANDS COMFORTABLY ON THE BOTTOM OF THE WHEEL IS SUFFICIENT TO AVOID THE "HOLD STEERING WHEEL" PROMPT OR TO DISMISS IT WHEN IT APPEARS? HTTPS://TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM/TMC/THREADS/7-1-8-0-SEEMS-LIKE-AN-UPDATE-FOR-TESLAS-LEGAL-TEAM-AND-A-NET-LOSS-FOR-CUSTOMERS.77702/PAGE-6 "FOR ME, EVEN THOUGH I'M ALWAYS HOLDING THE WHEEL, I STILL GET THE PROMPT ON EVERY CURVE, AND I HAVE TO "JIGGLE" THE WHEEL TO MAKE IT GO AWAY. I KEEP ONE HAND COMFORTABLY RESTING ON THE BOTTOM OF THE WHEEL AND NEVER GET A NAG. THIS HAS BEEN THE SAME SINCE AP WAS ORIGINALLY RELEASED FOR ME. INTERESTING THAT OTHERS HAVE A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE" DRIVING WITH ONE HAND LOOSELY GRIPPING THE BOTTOM OF THE STEERING WHEEL IS INTRINSICALLY UNSAFE. COUPLED WITH THE FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY CREATED BY AUTOPILOT, DISTRACTION, AND SLEEPINESS IT MEANS THAT THE REACTION TIME NEED TO REGAIN CONTROL IN AN EMERGENCY IS DANGEROUSLY INCREASED. PLEASE LOOK AT THE OVERALL PICTURE OF HOW AUTOPILOT IS BEING USED BY OWNERS, IT CANNOT POSSIBLY BE TWICE AS SAFE AS A HUMAN DRIVER AS ELON MUSK HAS CLAIMED.
NHTSA ODI 10908810
Sep 20, 2016SteeringSpeed control
HERE IS A NEW YOUTUBE VIDEO IN WHICH THE OWNER PRANKS PASSENGERS USING AUTOPILOT. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=UML4PML22PM THIS IS MEANT TO BE FUNNY. I DOUBT THAT THE OTHER ROAD USERS OR INDEED THE PASSENGERS WOULD HAVE FOUND IT SO AMUSING IF THEY HAD KNOWN THAT THEIR LIVES WERE BEING PLACED IN DANGER. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PREVENT OWNERS FRO DOING STUPID THINGS LIKE THIS ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THE AUTOPILOT IS TWICE AS SAFE AS A HUMAN DRIVER. I INTEND TO REPORT THIS CASE TO THE HIGHWAY PATROL AND HAVE PRESERVED THE VIDEO AS EVIDENCE. PLEASE HALT THIS EXPERIMENT IMMEDIATELY
NHTSA ODI 10908305
Sep 20, 2016SteeringSpeed control
AN EVEN MORE DANGEROUS DEVELOPMENT IN THE AUTOPILOT EXPERIMENT. THIS MAN HAS COLLECTED A RENTAL TESLA TO PERFORM HIS PRANKS. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=RMVOALPQHJC JUST AS SOON AS HE DRIVES AWAY FROM THE HIRE DEPOT AND ON AN UNDIVIDED BUSY ROAD HE ENGAGES AUTOPILOT AND GOES HANDS FREE WHILST TALIKING TO THE CAMERA. EVERY CUSTOMER THAT RENTS ONE OF THESE CARS IS LIKELY TO DO THE SAME THING. THIS IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH. PLEASE DO NOT WAIT ANY LONGER TO COMPLETE YOUR INVESTIGATION OF AUTOPILOT. HAVE THIS SYSTEM DISABLED RIGHT NOW UNTIL IT CAN BE PROVEN TO BE SAFE.
NHTSA ODI 10908322
Sep 17, 2016Steering
HERE IS A VERY DANGEROUS DEVELOPMENT IN THE TESLA AUTOPILOT SITUATION. HERE IS A NEW YOUTUBE VIDEO THAT SHOWS HOW TO DEFEAT THE AUTOPILOT NAG AND WARNING BEEPS BY THE USE OF 2 RUBBER BANDS. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=WHHRNHNM1XK THIS VIDEO HAS ALREADY HAD OVER 300 HITS. IT WILL VERY SOON BE COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO DO TO ELIMINATE THOSE ANNOYING NAGS. OWNERS ARE NOW FREE TO INDULGE IN WHATEVER RECREATIONAL PLEASURES THEY ENJOY THE MOST. THE ONLY WAY TO CURE THIS KIND OF RECKLESS BEHAVIOR IS TO BAN THE TESLA AUTOPILOT. PLEASE TAKE ACTION IMMEDIATELY.
NHTSA ODI 10907392
Sep 16, 2016Steering
HERE IS A FORUM POST STARTED TODAY. HTTPS://TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM/TMC/THREADS/90-DEGREE-LEFT-TURN.77349/ THIS SHOWS NOT ONLY THAT THE AUTOPILOT IS UNRELIABLE BUT THAT THAT IT IS STILL BEING USED IN CITY TRAFFIC ON UNDIVIDED ROADS. QUOTE:SIR GUACAMOLAF, YESTERDAY AT 10:22 AM SOMETHING STRANGE HAPPENED WITH AUTOPILOT TODAY (1 YEAR OLD). I WAS USING AP IN AN INSIDE ROAD (CITY), ON A LIGHT BEHIND A UGLIER THAN YETI'S BUTT PORSCHE PANAMERA. LIGHT TURNS GREEN, AND MY CAR, TOTALLY NEGOTIATED A FULL LEFT TURN ACROSS 3 LANES INTO A DIVIDED TWO LANE ROAD, ALL ON IT'S OWN. YEAH I HAD MY HANDS ON THE WHEEL, BUT WOW! NEVER EXPERIENCED THAT BEFORE. I HAVEN'T RECEIVED A S/W UPDATE LATELY BTW. AND I'VE DRIVEN ON THIS ROAD NUMEROUS TIMES, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME AP HAS DONE THIS. IT WAS PROMISED THAT THE AUTOPILOT WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO USE ON DIVIDED ROADS. THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED IF THIS SITUATION CONTINUES THEN IT IS A CERTAINTY THAT MORE LIVES WILL BE LOST PLEASE TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION.
NHTSA ODI 10907235
Sep 15, 2016SteeringSpeed control
MUST WE WAIT FOR MORE DEATHS BEFORE THE TESLA AUTOPILOT IS BANNED? HERE IS A NEW VIDEO FROM RUSSIA? SHOWING THE DRIVER PLACING LIVES IN DANGER. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=GM_5OEIDD_E HERE IS A VIDEO SHOWING THE DEATH OF A YOUNG MAN IN CHINA AND THE EFFECT THIS TRAGEDY HAS ON HIS FAMILY. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=1RSIEK9AFUG THE VICTIM WAS AN INTELLIGENT AND SUCCESSFUL MAN WHO WAS USING THE AUTOPILOT IN JUST THE WAY THAT IT HAS BEEN MARKETED AS BEING CAPABLE. LIVES ARE AT RISK ALL OVER THE WORLD AND TESLA HAS BEEN SLOW TO COME FORWARD WITH REPORTS OF CRASHES. PLEASE STOP THIS EXPERIMENT IMMEDIATELY.
NHTSA ODI 10907000
Sep 15, 2016Suspension
HERE IS A MODEL S IN THE SALVAGE YARD. HTTPS://M.IAAI.COM/VEHICLEDETENC.ASPX?AUCTIONID=0&ITEMID=22506868&ROWID=2&PAGESOURCE=VEHICLERESULTS THE LH FRONT STEERING KNUCKLE HAS SNAPPED IN HALF. THE STEEL BUMPER BAR WHICH EXTENDS ALMOST THE FULL WIDTH OF THE CAR IS UNDAMAGED. IT IS MOST UNLIKELY THAT THE DAMAGE TO THE FRONT SUSPENSION WAS THE RESULT OF THE CRASH. IT IS FAR MORE LIKELY THAT IT WAS THE CAUSE OF IT. PLEASE INVESTIGATE WHY SO MANY EXAMPLES OF SNAPPED SUSPENSIONS ARE OCCURRING ON TESLAS THAN ON ANY COMPARABLE VEHICLE.
NHTSA ODI 10907010
Sep 13, 2016SteeringSpeed control
HERE IS ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE WAY IN WHICH OWNERS ARE BEHAVING IN REAL LIFE. THE PROPOSED UPGRADES TO THE AUTOPILOT WILL DO NOTHING TO PREVENT THE BEHAVIOR SHOWN IN THIS VIDEO. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=AEU5OL2IR4M IN COMMON WITH THE SELF-REPORTED BEHAVIOR OF OWNERS ON THE FORUMS, DRIVERS ARE DRIVING HANDS FREE EXCEPT FOR GIVING THE WHEEL A GENTLE TWEAK JUST OFTEN ENOUGH TO PREVENT THE HOLD WHEEL NAG. 90% OF THE TIME IT IS HANDS FREE. THE SYSTEM DOES GUARD AGAINST THE DRIVER HAVING TOTALLY FALLEN ASLEEP BUT IT DOES NOT CAUSE HIM TO KEEP HANDS ON THE WHEEL AT ALL TIMES TO ENSURE SAFE CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE. IF THERE IS ANY MALFUNCTION OF THE AUTOPILOT OR A MECHANICAL FAILURE OR BLOWN TIRE THIS HANDS FREE DRIVING CAN KILL IN AN INSTANT. I AM NOT TRYING TO BE A KNOW ALL. I AM TRYING TO COUNTER THE FALSE CONFIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN CREATED IN THE AUTOPILOT AND THE UNWILLINGNESS OF TESLA OWNERS TO DESIST FROM HANDS FREE DRIVING.
NHTSA ODI 10905969
Sep 11, 2016SteeringSpeed control
THIS IS YET ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT THE AUTOPILOT. PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO IN FULL. IT SHOWS HOW AN INTELLIGENT AND WELL EDUCATED DRIVER CHOOSES TO USE THE AUTOPILOT WITHOUT HAVING ANY IDEA THAT HE IS PLACING HIS OWN LIFE AND THAT OF OTHER ROAD USERS IN EXTREME DANGER. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=55A7NZXVTRQ HE CHOOSES TO DRIVE WITH ONE HAND NEAR THE WHEEL BECAUSE ACTUALLY PLACING HANDS ON THE WHEEL CAUSES TOO MANY DISCONNECTIONS OF THE AUTOPILOT. HE THINKS HE WILL HAVE TIME TO TAKE OVER CONTROL IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG. HE PASSES INCHES AWAY FROM ONCOMING TRAFFIC ON UNDIVIDED ROADS WITH A COMBINED SPEED OF GREATER THAN 200 KM/H. EVEN AFTER THE RECENT FATAL ACCIDENT CAUSED BY AUTOPILOT OWNERS HAVE BEEN TOLD BY ELON MUSK THAT AUTOPILOT IS SAFER THAN HUMAN DRIVERS. THIS IS SIMPLY UNTRUE. OTHER ROAD USERS DID NOT GIVE PERMISSION FOR THEIR LIVES TO BE PLACED AT RISK BY A THREE TON CAR BEING DRIVEN TOWARDS THEM HANDS FREE. THE DRIVER IN THIS VIDEO IS NOT TO BE BLAMED FOR BELIEVING THAT IT IS SAFE TO DRIVE IN THIS FASHION. TESLA IS TO BLAME FOR EXAGGERATING THE CAPABILITIES AND THE SAFETY OF THE AUTOPILOT. THIS AUTOPILOT HAS BEEN RELEASED ALL OVER THE WORLD. IT IS CONSTANTLY BEING ALTERED BY SOFTWARE UPDATES. NONE OF THE CARS THAT HAVE HAD AUTOPILOT ENABLED OVER THE AIR HAVE BEEN PUT THROUGH TESTING TO ENSURE THAT ALL SENSORS AND OTHER HARDWARE IS WORKING CORRECTLY. PLEASE STOP THIS EXPERIMENT BEFORE MORE PEOPLE ARE KILLED.
NHTSA ODI 10905574
Sep 10, 2016SteeringSpeed control
HERE IS ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT. HERE IS A RECENTLY UPLOADED VIDEO OF A TESLA EMPLOYEE GIVING A CUSTOMER A TEST DRIVE AND DEMONSTRATION OF AUTOPILOT. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=TBCX2O-OTSO THE DEMONSTRATOR IS ONLY PLAYING LIP-SERVICE TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT DRIVERS SHOULD KEEP HANDS ON THE WHEEL. HE ASSURES THE DRIVER THAT THE AUTOPILOT IS PERFECTLY SAFE AND ALLOWS HIM TO TAKE HIS HANDS OFF THE WHEEL AND DRIVE WHILE DISTRACTED. HE EVEN REACHES OVER AND PUTS HIS HANDS THROUGH THE SPOKES OF THE STEERING WHEEL TO PERFORM AN AUTOMATIC LANE CHANGE WITHOUT EVEN GLANCING IN THE MIRROR. IF THIS IS THE KIND OF INSTRUCTION BEING GIVEN TO NEW OWNERS THEN THE SITUATION WILL ONLY GET WORSE WHEN THE NEW OWNER BECOMES OVERCONFIDENT IN THE SYSTEM AND PERHAPS INSTRUCTS HIS PARTNER OR OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE A GO AT LETTING AUTOPILOT TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING. THE PROBLEM IS NOT JUST THAT THE SYSTEM IS FLAWED BUT THAT THE WAY IT IS BEING PITCHED TO CUSTOMERS IS RECKLESS IN THE EXTREME. PLEASE STOP THIS EXPERIMENT IMMEDIATELY.
NHTSA ODI 10905534