Dec 6, 2016SteeringSpeed control
THIS IS A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT. PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO: HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=WYRWNXZRNAI THE DRIVER STARTS OFF CAUTIOUSLY KEEPING HIS HANDS NEAR THE WHEEL. BY ABOUT 7 MINUTES INTO THE VIDEO HE HAS BECOME SO TRUSTING IN THE AUTOPILOT THAT HE DRIVES PAST ONCOMING TRAFFIC IN A ROAD TUNNEL COMPLETELY HANDS FREE. THERE IS NOWHERE TO ESCAPE IF THE CAR TAKES A SUDDEN LEAP TO THE LEFT. THIS IS THE REALITY OF HOW DRIVERS ARE PUTTING OTHER ROAD USERS LIVES IN DANGER. PLEASE STOP THIS RECKLESS EXPERIMENTAION.
NHTSA ODI 10930312
Nov 20, 2016SteeringSpeed controlBrakes
THIS IS A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT. THE FOLLOWING VIDEO HAS BEEN RELEASED BY TESLA: HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=PUW_DMAQ264 IT SHOWS THE OPERATOR USING THE AUTOPILOT IN UNSUITABLE LOCATIONS AND IN VIOLATION OF ROAD SAFETY LAWS. THIS VIDEO IS NOW ALL OVER THE WEB WITH DESCRIPTIONS SUCH AS AUTONOMOUS AND SELF DRIVING. ALONG WITH THE CLAIMS BY ELON MUSK THAT AUTOPILOT IS SAFER THAN A HUMAN DRIVER THIS IS ENCOURAGING RECKLESS DANGEROUS EXPERIMANTATION ON THE ROADS AND PUTTING LIVES AT RISK. USERS ARE ALREADY USING THIS VIDEO TO JUSTIFY THEIR OWN USE OF THE AUTOPILOT ON UNDIVIDED ROADS AND WITH BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC BECAUSE THE VIDEO GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS IS PERFECTLY OK. PLEASE HALT THIS DANGEROUS EXPERIMENT BEFORE MORE LIVES ARE LOST.
NHTSA ODI 10927107
Nov 14, 2016SteeringSpeed controlBrakes
THIS IS HOW PEOPLE ARE USING THE AUTOPILOT: HTTPS://FORUMS.TESLA.COM/FORUM/FORUMS/UNHAPPY-V8-REDUCED-AUTOPILOT-CAPABILITIES UNHAPPY WITH V.8 REDUCED AUTOPILOT CAPABILITIES SUBMITTED BY ADAM.SMITH ON NOVEMBER 14, 2016 I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY HAVE DONE IT BUT BY DUMBING DOWN AUTOPILOT AND REDUCING ITS CAPABILITIES YOU MIGHT JUST AS WELL BUY A CAR YOU HAVE TO DRIVE YOURSELF FOR FAR LESS MONEY! @ADAM.SMITH - THERE IS A SOLUTION. 14 OUNCES OF WEIGHT ON THE LEFT OR RIGHT SIDE OF THE STEERING WHEEL WILL ELIMINATE THE NAG ENTIRELY. YOU CAN DO THIS ANY NUMBER OF WAYS. I EXPERIMENTED WITH FISHING WEIGHTS AND A VELCRO WRAP TO DETERMINE THAT 14 OUNCES DOES THE TRICK,12 OUNCES MOSTLY CLEARS THE NAG, BUT 14 KILLS IT ENTIRELY. THE WEIGHT MUST BE PLACED ON THE SPOKE AT THE OUTER END, NEAR THE RIM. I THEN PROGRESSED TO USING 14 OUNCES OF STICK-ON WHEEL WEIGHTS. HOWEVER, THEY ARE BIGGER THAN NECESSARY AND HAVE ISSUES STICKING ON THE BACK OF THE STEERING WHEEL. MY NEXT EXPERIMENTAL SOLUTION WAS TO CUT TWO LAYERS OF 1/8" THICK SHEET LEAD TO FIT TIGHTLY ON THE BACK OF THE STEERING WHEEL SPOKE, WRAPPED SLIGHTLY TO CATCH THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF THE SPOKE. IT IS FINISHED WITH PLASTI-DIP SO THE LEAD DOESN'T SPOIL ANYTHING. THE WEIGHT IS EASILY REMOVED WHEN NOT IN USE. PRODUCTS FOR SWITCHING OFF THE NAG HERE: HTTPS://WWW.AMAZON.COM/GP/PRODUCT/B00IS5EEZ6/REF=OH_AUI_DETAILPAGE_O03_S... HTTPS://WWW.AMAZON.COM/PERFORMIX-11203-MULTI-PURPOSE-COATING-AEROSOL/DP/... PLEASE STOP THIS MADNESS.
NHTSA ODI 10925953
Nov 8, 2016Speed controlBrakesCrash
THIS IS A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT. THIS REPORT HAS JUST BEEN POSTED ON THE TMC FORUM. HTTPS://TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM/TMC/THREADS/AUTOPILOT-CRASH-TODAY-TESLA-RESPONSE-LESS-THAN-STELLAR.80594/ I I TOOK MY FRIEND TO A LOCAL TESLA STORE AND WE WENT FOR A DRIVE. AP WAS ENGAGED. AS WE WENT UP A HILL, THE CAR WAS NOT SLOWING DOWN APPROACHING A RED LIGHT AT 50 MPH. THE SALESPERSON SUGGESTED THAT MY FRIEND NOT BRAKE, LETTING THE SYSTEM DO THE WORK. IT DIDN'T. THE CAR IN FRONT OF US HAD COME TO A COMPLETE STOP. THE SALESPERSON THEN SAID, "BRAKE!". FULL BRAKING DIDN'T STOP THE CAR IN TIME AND WE REAR-ENDED THE CAR IN FRONT OF US HARD. ALL AIRBAGS DEPLOYED. THE CAR WAS TOTALED. I MENTION THIS FOR THE OBVIOUS REASON THAT AP ISN'T AUTONOMOUS AND IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE NEW DRIVERS USE THIS SYSTEM IN VERY RESTRICTED CIRCUMSTANCES BEFORE ACTIVATING IT IN A BUSY URBAN AREA. THE SALESPERSON WAS UNDERSTANDING AND APOLOGETIC. WHEN I CALLED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CANCELLED, THEY SAID THEY WERE AWARE OF MY SALESPERSON'S NOTES IN THE SYSTEM, BUT DIDN'T MENTION IT UNTIL I ASKED AND ONLY AFTER ASKING MY WHY I CANCELED. THEY PROMISED TO SEND ME AN EMAIL CONFIRMATION OF THE CANCELLATION. IT DIDN'T ARRIVE. THIS EVENING I RECEIVED A CALL FROM TESLA. THEY WANTED TO KNOW IF I WANTED TO CANCEL(!). THE PERSON WAS TOTALLY UNINTERESTED IN THE CRASH, EVEN AFTER I ASKED IF SHE KNEW ABOUT IT (FROM THE SYSTEM NOTES). TOTALLY FLAT. THEY SENT ME A CANCELLATION EMAIL, BUT DIDN'T SPECIFY THAT THE DEPOSIT WOULD BE REFUNDED. THIS ISN'T COOL AND I CANNOT BELIEVE A COMPANY WITH THIS MUCH POSITIVE P.R. WOULDN'T HAVE MOVED THIS WAY UP THE LADDER IMMEDIATELY TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE WHO'D ALREADY ORDERED A CAR AND WAS INTRODUCING A POTENTIAL BUYER WAS TAKEN CARE OF. THIS CRASH COULD EASILY HAVE RESULTED IN DEATH OR INJURY. PLEASE TAKE ACTION TO STOP THIS DANGEROUS EXPERIMENT.
NHTSA ODI 10925035
Oct 12, 2016Speed control
THIS IS ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT. JUST TOUCHING THE STALK CAN MAKE THE CAR GO TO FULL THROTTLE. HTTPS://FORUMS.TESLA.COM/FORUM/FORUMS/NEW-CRUISE-CONTROL-STALK NEW CRUISE CONTROL STALK THE NEW CRUISE CONTROL STALK THAT HAS BEEN MODIFIED FOR AUTOPILOT DOES NOT HAVE A WHITE BUTTON ON THE END TO TURN CRUISE CONTROL ON AND OFF. THE "ON" FOR CRUISE CONTROL IS SIMPLY TAPPING THE STALK TOWARD YOU -- WHICH IS ALL TOO EASY TO DO WHEN REACHING FOR THE TURN SIGNAL. IF THE CRUISE CONTROL'S LAST SETTING WAS 70MPH AND YOU HAPPEN TO BE GOING 10MPH IN TRAFFIC, THE CAR LURCHES FORWARD IN AN ATTEMPT TO REACH THE PRESET SPEED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THIS IS SCARY AND DANGEROUS. KASNIDER50 | OCTOBER 10, 2016 BLUE85D, I CAN'T TELL IF YOU'RE DISPARAGING MY "OUTRAGE" OR NOT. BUT SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME CAR I HAVE, MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE A LITTLE LESS JUDGMENTAL IN ANY CASE. MY OWNER'S MANUAL, SAYS THAT THE BUTTON (THAT NO LONGER IS FEATURED) IS/WAS HOW YOU TURN CRUISE CONTROL ON. ONLY IN THE NEWER MODELS WITHOUT A BUTTON TURN ON CRUISE CONTROL BY PULLING THE STALK TOWARD THE DRIVER. THE MANUAL SAYS NOTHING ABOUT CANCELING CRUISE CONTROL WITH THE BUTTON, ONLY BY PUSHING THE STALK AWAY. SO--I CONTINUE TO WISH THAT IT WEREN'T AS EASY AS IT IS TO TELL THE CAR "I WANT TO GO SEVENTY MILES AN HOUR...NOW!" WHEN YOU'RE TOOLING ALONG IN SLOW TRAFFIC AND SIMPLY WANT TO CHANGE LANES. MORE THAN ONE PERSON IS GOING TO DRIVE THIS CAR, SOME NOT VERY OFTEN...SO I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE HARDER TO ENGAGE THE "RETURN TO PRESET SPEED." YOU CAN CALL THAT OUTRAGE, OR YOU CAN CALL IT COMMON SENSE. IT'S ALL THE SAME TO ME. THESE CARS ARE BEING DRIVEN BY PEOPLE OF VARYING ABILITIES AND CAN EVEN BE RENTED FOR A DAY WITHOUT ANY INSTRUCTION ON THE SPECIAL DANGERS PRESENTED BY AUTOPILOT MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE UNLESS THIS RECKLESS EXPERIMENT IS HALTED
NHTSA ODI 10915628
Oct 11, 2016SteeringSpeed controlBrakes
HOW MUCH MORE EVIDENCE DO YOU NEED TO PROVE THAT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT IS UNSAFE? HTTPS://TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM/TMC/THREADS/AUTOPILOT-FAILED-TO-NOTICE-A-BUS-TODAY.78833/ AUTOPILOT FAILED TO NOTICE A BUS TODAY LOCATION:SACRAMENTO, CA STOPPED AT AN INTERSECTION BEHIND A BUS TODAY AT A RED LIGHT. DECIDED TO LOOK FOR SOME NEW MUSIC SO I TURNED AUTOPILOT ON, SEEING AS HOW I COULDN'T SEE THE RED/GREEN LIGHT AND THAT'D TELL ME WHEN TO PAY ATTENTION (CAR STARTS MOVING... DON'T TELL ME YOU GUYS NEVER USE IT FOR THIS, EITHER!). WAS AT A COMPLETE STOP ABOUT TWO CAR LENGTHS FROM THE BUS. ENGAGED AP. CAR IMMEDIATELY LURCHED FORWARD. HIT BRAKES FAST, WHICH FORTUNATELY MY FOOT WAS ALREADY OVER THE PEDAL AS I'D BEEN PREVIOUSLY STOPPED. SAT FOR A SECOND CONFUSED. I'M NOW ABOUT A CAR LENGTH FROM THE BUS. VERIFIED MY AP WAS SET TO 4 CAR LENGTHS. ENGAGED AGAIN. CAR IMMEDIATELY SHOT FORWARD, HIT BRAKES. CAR DISPLAYED THE WARNING THAT AN OBJECT WAS IN FRONT OF ME. I AM PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT EITHER THE CAR WOULD HAVE EMERGENCY BRAKED OR I WOULD HAVE HIT THE BUS HAD I LEFT IT ENGAGED. IT DEFINITELY PULLED FORWARD FULL-POWER LIKE IT DOES IF THE PERSON IN FRONT OF YOU CHANGES LANES AND THE LANE IS OTHERWISE CLEAR. IT DEFINITELY MADE ME THINK OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO ACCIDENTALLY DROVE INTO BUILDINGS AND SUCH AND THE LITTLE REACTION TIME THEY MUST HAVE HAD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. I'M QUITE AWARE OF HOW CLOSE AP WILL TAKE YOU WHEN STOPPED. THE BEHAVIOR WAS ABNORMAL -- NOT ONLY DID THIS NOT SEEM TO CARE THAT I WAS ALREADY QUITE CLOSE, IT ACCELERATED IMMEDIATELY AND RAPIDLY WHEN ENGAGING AND GAVE NO INDICATION IT WOULD QUIT. TYPICALLY ENGAGING IT WHILE STOPPED OR BEHIND SOMEONE WILL MOVE FORWARD VERY SLIGHTLY IF AT ALL ONCE YOU'RE ALREADY CLOSE.
NHTSA ODI 10915424
Oct 8, 2016SteeringSpeed control
TESLA AUTOPILOT VESION 8 IS STILL PLACING LIVES AT RISK. JUST READ THE OWNERS COMMENTS ON THE FORUMS. HTTPS://TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM/TMC/THREADS/8-0-LOST-OR-DEGRADED-CAPABILITIES.77927/PAGE-9 [XXX], WEDNESDAY AT 5:10 AM NEW AUTOPILOT IS DEFINITELY MORE DANGEROUS IN 8.0 THAN IT WAS IN 7.1. I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CLOSE-CALLS WHERE IF I HAD NOT TAKING OVER, I WOULD HAVE VEERED OFF THE ROAD, INTO ANOTHER VEHICLE, OR SLAMMED INTO THE BACK OF A SLOW-MOVING VEHICLE IN MY LANE IN FRONT OF ME. [XXX], TODAY AT 5:03 AM I WAS DRIVING YESTERDAY WITH AUTOPILOT AT ABOUT 80 MPH APPROACHING STOPPED TRAFFIC (SEPARATION SETTING 7). AS USUAL THE CAR DIDN'T START STOPPING IN TIME AND THEN WHEN IT DID BEGIN TO STOP IT DIDN'T APPLY THE BRAKES HARD ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY STOP IN TIME. EVEN THE COLLISION WARNING WENT OFF JUST AS I BEGAN MANUALLY HITTING THE BRAKES. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE PASS THIS INFO TO TESLA BUT THAT SURELY WAS NOT OPTIMAL. AP IS DEFINITELY SMOOTHER IN TERMS OF ACCELERATION AND DECELERATION, BUT I CAN'T USE IT AS I SERIOUSLY FEAR FOR MY LIFE. NOT GOOD. [XXX], TUESDAY AT 5:17 AM WELL - FINALLY UPDATED AND TOOK A 200 MI TRIP. AESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO ME BUT FUNCTIONALITY TOOK A COUPLE OF STEPS BACK. RUNNING AP I HAD 3 OCCASIONS WHERE AP SWERVED ANOTHER DIRECTION. I AM CONFIDENT THAT HAD I NOT BEEN HOLDING THE WHEEL THERE WAS GREAT POTENTIAL FOR AN ACCIDENT. SEVERAL OCCASIONS WHEN THE CAR QUICKLY SLOWED DOWN AND CAME BACK UP TO SPEED WITH NOTHING NEARBY. NAVIGATION WAS ALL MESSED UP. HAD ME DOING LOOPS AND CUTBACKS ADDING MANY MILES HAD I BLINDLY FOLLOWED IT. NOT EVEN GOING TO MENTION THE AUDIO AND LACK OF WAYPOINTS, ETC....AND THE NEW FREQUENCY OF THE NAG IS ANNOYING. THE CAR REMAINS AWESOME, BUT THIS STUFF IS GOING TO BITE THEM IN THE [XXX] IF THEY CAN'T GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER. PLEASE CAN YOU ENSURE THAT TESLA HAS SOME ADULT SUPERVISION. INFORMATION REDACTED PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(6) *TR
NHTSA ODI 10914848
Sep 28, 2016SteeringSpeed control
TESLA HAS CREATED A MONSTER IN THE FORM OF AUTOPILOT. THE FOLLOWING QUOTE FROM AN OWNER EXPLAINS IT PERFECTLY. -- GREEN1, TODAY AT 4:19 AM NEW MDMGSO47 SAID: ↑ SO YOU CAN PUT THE TOP OF ONE THIGH UNDER THE STEERING WHEEL TO KEEP THE WHEEL FROM TURNING AND YOU ARE GOOD?--- THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE LIKELY TO WORK THAN USING YOUR HANDS. IF I USE MY HANDS ONE OF 2 THINGS HAPPENS: 1) IT DOESN'T DETECT MY HANDS BECAUSE I'M EITHER GRIPPING THE WHEEL LIGHTLY, OR AM MAKING THE SAME CORRECTIONS THE CAR IS TO STAY IN THE LANE, OR 2) I GRIP THE WHEEL FIRMLY AND STEER AGAINST THE AUTOSTEER AND IT DISENGAGES AUTOSTEER, AND USUALLY SWERVES OUT OF THE CENTRE OF THE LANE. 1) WILL CAUSE ME TO LOSE THE ABILITY TO USE AUTOSTEER AFTER THE NAGS PUT ME IN THE PENALTY BOX 2) IS DANGEROUS, AND WILL CAUSE ME TO LOSE THE ABILITY TO USE AUTOSTEER AFTER I DISENGAGE IT TRYING TO SATISFY THE NAG I CHOSE OPTION 3) DON'T ADD NAGS TO A SYSTEM THAT WORKED PERFECTLY WELL BEFORE THEM, AND WHICH I OWN SO TESLA HAS NO RIGHT TO REMOVE FEATURES FROM.--- HTTPS://TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM/TMC/THREADS/RED-HANDS-OF-SHAME.77954/PAGE-2 --- PLEASE BAN THIS EXPERIMENTAL AUTOPILOT BEFORE MORE LIVES ARE LOST.
NHTSA ODI 10910303
Sep 26, 2016SteeringSpeed controlBrakes
THIS IS ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT THE AUTOPILOT VERSION 8.0 HERE IS A NEW VIDEO THAT HAS JUST BEEN UPLOADED TO YOUTUBE HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=SC3LURR6LOQ TESLA 8.0 SOFTWARE AUTOPILOT RADAR CHANGE REVIEW THE OWNER HAS JUST DOWNLOADED THE NEW SOFTWARE. HE COMPLAINS THAT HE IS DISAPPOINTED HE NOW MIGHT HAVE TO KEEP HANDS ON THE WHEEL BECAUSE THEN WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING AUTOPILOT? HE TESTS IT OUT ON LOCAL ROADS WITH NO SOLID BARRIER AGAINST ONCOMING TRAFFIC. HE PASSES ONCOMING CARS AND A LINE OF TREES WHILST DRIVING HANDS AND FEET OFF FOR 90% OF THE TIME. HE EXPRESSES A BELIEF THAT THE RADAR NOW MAKES THE SYSTEM SAFER. ELON MUSK HAS STATED THAT THE USE OF RADAR IN VERSION 8.0 MEANS THAT THE FATAL CRASH UNDER A TRUCK WOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE HAPPENED WITH THE NEW VERSION 8.0. MANY OWNERS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DRIVE HANDS FREE FOR 90% OF THE TIME. THIS IS A GIANT STEP BACKWARDS FOR ROAD SAFETY. PLEASE ACT QUICKLY TO PREVENT PEOPLE BEING KILLED.
NHTSA ODI 10909802
Sep 25, 2016SteeringSpeed control
THIS IS A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT UPGRADED VERSION 8.0 IT IS CLEAR FROM THE MANY YOUTUBE VIDEOS ALREADY POSTED THAT OWNERS ARE NOW PLACING EVEN MORE TRUST IN THE AUTOPILOT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT THE RADAR AND OTHER ENHANCEMENTS MAKE IT SAFER THAN BEFORE. ALSO THE MESSAGE TO HOLD STEERING WHEEL IS STILL BEING IGNORED AND OWNERS ARE OPERATING HANDS FREE FOR MORE THAN 3 MINUTES AT A TIME WHILE FIDDLING WITH THE DISPLAY SCREEN AND TAKING THEIR EYES OFF THE ROADS. I WILL GIVE YOU LINKS TO VIDEOS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN POSTED AND I AM SURE THAT THERE IS EVEN WORSE BEHAVIOR HAPPENING OFF THE CAMERA. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=ISZ3FSBE_PG OWNER TESTING HOW LONG HE CAN DRIVE HANDS FREE BEFORE AUTOPILOT IS DISABLED HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=G42WDKU11K8 USING AUTOPILOT ON LOCAL ROADS RATHER THAN FREEWAYS WITH A SOLID BARRIER AGAINST ONCOMING TRAFFIC, MUCH OF THE TIME HANDS FREE. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=U7JNHFWZ3EC HANDS FREE, OVERCONFIDENT AND USING AUTOPILOT IN INAPPROPRIATE CIRCUMSTANCES. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=WRM0E5ZO4KQ USING AUTOPILOT ON FREEWAY BUT WITH A LOT OF HANDS FREE TIME AND FIDDLING WITH TOUCH SCREEN. THERE ARE ALSO COMMENTS ON THE VIDEOS THAT THE AUTOPILOT BRAKING IS LEFT UNTIL THE LAST MOMENT AND THAT OWNERS FEAR IT WILL NOT STOP IN TIME. THEN THEY SAY THAT THEY LEARN TO TRUST IT AFTER A WHILE THIS LEAVES LITTLE TIME TO REACT IF THE SYSTEM FAILS. I BELIEVE THAT THE INQUIRY INTO AUTOPILOT SHOULD NOT ONLY LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE OF THE HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY AT THE HUMAN FACTOR. I BELIEVE THAT THIS DECEPTIVELY TITLED AUTOPILOT IS CAUSING DRIVERS TO BEHAVE IN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS WAYS AND THAT THIS WILL CERTAINLY LEAD TO MORE DEATHS.
NHTSA ODI 10909504
Sep 22, 2016SteeringSpeed control
THIS IS ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT TO TRY AND BRING ATTENTION TO THE DANGER POSED TO ALL ROAD USERS. HERE IS A FORUM POST DISCUSSING HOW TO AVOID THE NAG. PEDRISCOLL, TODAY AT 2:51 PM GAVIN.BELSON SAID: ↑ I HAVE THIS EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE. I HAVE ALWAYS ASSUMED THAT IT'S LIKE THIS FOR EVERYONE, BUT FROM SOME OF THE OTHER POSTS IN THIS THREAD, MAYBE I'M WRONG. DO OTHERS FIND THAT SIMPLY RESTING THEIR HANDS COMFORTABLY ON THE BOTTOM OF THE WHEEL IS SUFFICIENT TO AVOID THE "HOLD STEERING WHEEL" PROMPT OR TO DISMISS IT WHEN IT APPEARS? HTTPS://TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM/TMC/THREADS/7-1-8-0-SEEMS-LIKE-AN-UPDATE-FOR-TESLAS-LEGAL-TEAM-AND-A-NET-LOSS-FOR-CUSTOMERS.77702/PAGE-6 "FOR ME, EVEN THOUGH I'M ALWAYS HOLDING THE WHEEL, I STILL GET THE PROMPT ON EVERY CURVE, AND I HAVE TO "JIGGLE" THE WHEEL TO MAKE IT GO AWAY. I KEEP ONE HAND COMFORTABLY RESTING ON THE BOTTOM OF THE WHEEL AND NEVER GET A NAG. THIS HAS BEEN THE SAME SINCE AP WAS ORIGINALLY RELEASED FOR ME. INTERESTING THAT OTHERS HAVE A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE" DRIVING WITH ONE HAND LOOSELY GRIPPING THE BOTTOM OF THE STEERING WHEEL IS INTRINSICALLY UNSAFE. COUPLED WITH THE FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY CREATED BY AUTOPILOT, DISTRACTION, AND SLEEPINESS IT MEANS THAT THE REACTION TIME NEED TO REGAIN CONTROL IN AN EMERGENCY IS DANGEROUSLY INCREASED. PLEASE LOOK AT THE OVERALL PICTURE OF HOW AUTOPILOT IS BEING USED BY OWNERS, IT CANNOT POSSIBLY BE TWICE AS SAFE AS A HUMAN DRIVER AS ELON MUSK HAS CLAIMED.
NHTSA ODI 10908810
Sep 20, 2016SteeringSpeed control
HERE IS A NEW YOUTUBE VIDEO IN WHICH THE OWNER PRANKS PASSENGERS USING AUTOPILOT. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=UML4PML22PM THIS IS MEANT TO BE FUNNY. I DOUBT THAT THE OTHER ROAD USERS OR INDEED THE PASSENGERS WOULD HAVE FOUND IT SO AMUSING IF THEY HAD KNOWN THAT THEIR LIVES WERE BEING PLACED IN DANGER. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PREVENT OWNERS FRO DOING STUPID THINGS LIKE THIS ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THE AUTOPILOT IS TWICE AS SAFE AS A HUMAN DRIVER. I INTEND TO REPORT THIS CASE TO THE HIGHWAY PATROL AND HAVE PRESERVED THE VIDEO AS EVIDENCE. PLEASE HALT THIS EXPERIMENT IMMEDIATELY
NHTSA ODI 10908305
Sep 20, 2016SteeringSpeed control
AN EVEN MORE DANGEROUS DEVELOPMENT IN THE AUTOPILOT EXPERIMENT. THIS MAN HAS COLLECTED A RENTAL TESLA TO PERFORM HIS PRANKS. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=RMVOALPQHJC JUST AS SOON AS HE DRIVES AWAY FROM THE HIRE DEPOT AND ON AN UNDIVIDED BUSY ROAD HE ENGAGES AUTOPILOT AND GOES HANDS FREE WHILST TALIKING TO THE CAMERA. EVERY CUSTOMER THAT RENTS ONE OF THESE CARS IS LIKELY TO DO THE SAME THING. THIS IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH. PLEASE DO NOT WAIT ANY LONGER TO COMPLETE YOUR INVESTIGATION OF AUTOPILOT. HAVE THIS SYSTEM DISABLED RIGHT NOW UNTIL IT CAN BE PROVEN TO BE SAFE.
NHTSA ODI 10908322
Sep 15, 2016SteeringSpeed control
MUST WE WAIT FOR MORE DEATHS BEFORE THE TESLA AUTOPILOT IS BANNED? HERE IS A NEW VIDEO FROM RUSSIA? SHOWING THE DRIVER PLACING LIVES IN DANGER. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=GM_5OEIDD_E HERE IS A VIDEO SHOWING THE DEATH OF A YOUNG MAN IN CHINA AND THE EFFECT THIS TRAGEDY HAS ON HIS FAMILY. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=1RSIEK9AFUG THE VICTIM WAS AN INTELLIGENT AND SUCCESSFUL MAN WHO WAS USING THE AUTOPILOT IN JUST THE WAY THAT IT HAS BEEN MARKETED AS BEING CAPABLE. LIVES ARE AT RISK ALL OVER THE WORLD AND TESLA HAS BEEN SLOW TO COME FORWARD WITH REPORTS OF CRASHES. PLEASE STOP THIS EXPERIMENT IMMEDIATELY.
NHTSA ODI 10907000
Sep 13, 2016SteeringSpeed control
HERE IS ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE WAY IN WHICH OWNERS ARE BEHAVING IN REAL LIFE. THE PROPOSED UPGRADES TO THE AUTOPILOT WILL DO NOTHING TO PREVENT THE BEHAVIOR SHOWN IN THIS VIDEO. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=AEU5OL2IR4M IN COMMON WITH THE SELF-REPORTED BEHAVIOR OF OWNERS ON THE FORUMS, DRIVERS ARE DRIVING HANDS FREE EXCEPT FOR GIVING THE WHEEL A GENTLE TWEAK JUST OFTEN ENOUGH TO PREVENT THE HOLD WHEEL NAG. 90% OF THE TIME IT IS HANDS FREE. THE SYSTEM DOES GUARD AGAINST THE DRIVER HAVING TOTALLY FALLEN ASLEEP BUT IT DOES NOT CAUSE HIM TO KEEP HANDS ON THE WHEEL AT ALL TIMES TO ENSURE SAFE CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE. IF THERE IS ANY MALFUNCTION OF THE AUTOPILOT OR A MECHANICAL FAILURE OR BLOWN TIRE THIS HANDS FREE DRIVING CAN KILL IN AN INSTANT. I AM NOT TRYING TO BE A KNOW ALL. I AM TRYING TO COUNTER THE FALSE CONFIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN CREATED IN THE AUTOPILOT AND THE UNWILLINGNESS OF TESLA OWNERS TO DESIST FROM HANDS FREE DRIVING.
NHTSA ODI 10905969
Sep 11, 2016SteeringSpeed control
THIS IS YET ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT THE AUTOPILOT. PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO IN FULL. IT SHOWS HOW AN INTELLIGENT AND WELL EDUCATED DRIVER CHOOSES TO USE THE AUTOPILOT WITHOUT HAVING ANY IDEA THAT HE IS PLACING HIS OWN LIFE AND THAT OF OTHER ROAD USERS IN EXTREME DANGER. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=55A7NZXVTRQ HE CHOOSES TO DRIVE WITH ONE HAND NEAR THE WHEEL BECAUSE ACTUALLY PLACING HANDS ON THE WHEEL CAUSES TOO MANY DISCONNECTIONS OF THE AUTOPILOT. HE THINKS HE WILL HAVE TIME TO TAKE OVER CONTROL IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG. HE PASSES INCHES AWAY FROM ONCOMING TRAFFIC ON UNDIVIDED ROADS WITH A COMBINED SPEED OF GREATER THAN 200 KM/H. EVEN AFTER THE RECENT FATAL ACCIDENT CAUSED BY AUTOPILOT OWNERS HAVE BEEN TOLD BY ELON MUSK THAT AUTOPILOT IS SAFER THAN HUMAN DRIVERS. THIS IS SIMPLY UNTRUE. OTHER ROAD USERS DID NOT GIVE PERMISSION FOR THEIR LIVES TO BE PLACED AT RISK BY A THREE TON CAR BEING DRIVEN TOWARDS THEM HANDS FREE. THE DRIVER IN THIS VIDEO IS NOT TO BE BLAMED FOR BELIEVING THAT IT IS SAFE TO DRIVE IN THIS FASHION. TESLA IS TO BLAME FOR EXAGGERATING THE CAPABILITIES AND THE SAFETY OF THE AUTOPILOT. THIS AUTOPILOT HAS BEEN RELEASED ALL OVER THE WORLD. IT IS CONSTANTLY BEING ALTERED BY SOFTWARE UPDATES. NONE OF THE CARS THAT HAVE HAD AUTOPILOT ENABLED OVER THE AIR HAVE BEEN PUT THROUGH TESTING TO ENSURE THAT ALL SENSORS AND OTHER HARDWARE IS WORKING CORRECTLY. PLEASE STOP THIS EXPERIMENT BEFORE MORE PEOPLE ARE KILLED.
NHTSA ODI 10905574
Sep 10, 2016SteeringSpeed control
HERE IS ANOTHER COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT. HERE IS A RECENTLY UPLOADED VIDEO OF A TESLA EMPLOYEE GIVING A CUSTOMER A TEST DRIVE AND DEMONSTRATION OF AUTOPILOT. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=TBCX2O-OTSO THE DEMONSTRATOR IS ONLY PLAYING LIP-SERVICE TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT DRIVERS SHOULD KEEP HANDS ON THE WHEEL. HE ASSURES THE DRIVER THAT THE AUTOPILOT IS PERFECTLY SAFE AND ALLOWS HIM TO TAKE HIS HANDS OFF THE WHEEL AND DRIVE WHILE DISTRACTED. HE EVEN REACHES OVER AND PUTS HIS HANDS THROUGH THE SPOKES OF THE STEERING WHEEL TO PERFORM AN AUTOMATIC LANE CHANGE WITHOUT EVEN GLANCING IN THE MIRROR. IF THIS IS THE KIND OF INSTRUCTION BEING GIVEN TO NEW OWNERS THEN THE SITUATION WILL ONLY GET WORSE WHEN THE NEW OWNER BECOMES OVERCONFIDENT IN THE SYSTEM AND PERHAPS INSTRUCTS HIS PARTNER OR OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE A GO AT LETTING AUTOPILOT TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING. THE PROBLEM IS NOT JUST THAT THE SYSTEM IS FLAWED BUT THAT THE WAY IT IS BEING PITCHED TO CUSTOMERS IS RECKLESS IN THE EXTREME. PLEASE STOP THIS EXPERIMENT IMMEDIATELY.
NHTSA ODI 10905534
Sep 8, 2016SteeringSpeed control
THIS A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT. THIS VIDEO HAS JUST BEEN UPLOADED. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=VCC7JH8UX-E HERE IS AN OWNER DRIVING HANDS FREE AT HIGH SPEED WHILE WAVING HIS ARMS AROUND AND EVEN CROSSING HIS ARMS ACROSS HIS CHEST. THE IRRESPONSIBLE MARKETING AND PROMOTION OF THE TESLA AUTOPILOT HAS ENCOURAGED THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR. WHILST AN INQUIRY INTO THE AUTOPILOT IS STILL IN PROGRESS TESLA IS PLANNING TO ROLL OUT YET ANOTHER VERSION BETA RELEASE. I BELIEVE THAT IS ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO SHIFT THE GOAL-POSTS AND SIDESTEP THE INQUIRY. THE PRUDENT THING WOULD BE TO DISABLE THE AUTOPILOT UNTIL IT IS PROVEN TO BE SAFE.
NHTSA ODI 10904867
Aug 11, 2016SteeringSpeed control
THIS IS ANOTHER COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TESLA AUTOPILOT MADE IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY. HERE IS A NEW YOUTUBE VIDEO SHOWING A DRIVER IN MEXICO DRIVING HANDS FREE ON CURVING UNDIVIDED ROADS AND PASSING ONCOMING TRAFFIC JUST INCHES AWAY. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=3NB_EU43O1Y "USANDO EL AUTOPILOT DE TESLA EN CARRETERAS SECUNDARIAS" THE DRIVER IS OBVIOUSLY UNAWARE OF HOW DANGEROUS THIS PRACTICE IS. THE CAR PERMITS HIM TO DO THIS. THERE DO NOT APPEAR TO BE ANY HOLD STEERING WHEEL NAGS. A LARGE NUMBER OF OWNERS HAVE GAINED THE PERCEPTION THAT THIS IS A TRUE FAIL-SAFE AUTOPILOT RATHER THAN A BETA RELEASE. PLEASE HALT THIS OUT OF CONTROL EXPERIMENT BEFORE MORE LIVES ARE LOST.
NHTSA ODI 10894964
Aug 5, 2016Speed control
WHILE ACCELERATING AT A FREEWAY ON-RAMP FROM A STAND STILL, THE ACCELERATOR PEDDLE SNAPPED OFF AT FULL THROTTLE. NO ACCIDENT OCCURRED, WAS ABLE TO GET OFF THE FREEWAY SAFELY BY PRESSING ON THE REMAINING PEDDLE WITH HAND.
NHTSA ODI 10893520
Jul 17, 2016SteeringSuspensionSpeed controlCrash2 injuries
HERE IS A REPORT OF A CRASH THAT OCCURRED IN GERMANY. HTTP://TESLACLUBSWEDEN.SE/FORUM/VIEWTOPIC.PHP?F=10&T=5024 THE OWNER IS UNCERTAIN OF THE EXACT SEQUENCE OF EVENTS AND IS NOT SURE IF HE WAS ON AUTOPILOT OR NOT. HE CREDITS THE TESLA WITH SAVING HIS LIFE BUT DOES NOT CONCEDE THAT THE CRASH MIGHT HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY A VEHICLE FAULT. THE ROLLOVER AND CRASH MAY HAVE BEEN PARTIALLY THE FAULT OF THE TRUCK DRIVER BUT THE REPORTS ARE AMBIGUOUS. BOTH FRONT AND REAR WHEELS HAVE BEEN TORN OFF THE CAR WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN THE RESULT OF THE CRASH BUT BEARING IN MIND THE LARGE NUMBER OF CRASHES IN WHICH TESLA WHEELS HAVE SNAPPED OFF IT MAY BE THAT THIS WAS ACTUALLY THE CAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT. TIRES SHOULD NOT PEEL OFF THE RIM EVEN DURING A HIGH SPEED SPIN. WHEELS AND SUSPENSION ASSEMBLIES SHOULD NOT SNAP OFF SO EASILY. I WOULD LIKE NHTSA TO CONTACT THE GERMAN INVESTIGATORS TO ALERT THEM TO THE POSSIBILITY OF AUTOPILOT OR MECHANICAL FAILURE BEING A FACTOR IN THIS CRASH. I AM NOT A TESLA OWNER. I AM A CONCERNED CITIZEN THAT HAS TO SHARE THE ROADS WITH TESLA AUTOPILOT CONTROLLED VEHICLES AND I BELIEVE THAT LIVES OF ROAD USERS ARE BEING PUT AT RISK BY THIS UNREGULATED EXPERIMENT.
NHTSA ODI 10885399
Jul 6, 2016SteeringSpeed control
HERE IS A RECENT YOUTUBE VIDEO SHOWING WHAT APPEARS TO BE A TESLA EMPLOYEE DEMONSTRATING THE USE OF AUTOPILOT AND ENCOURAGING THE DRIVER TO TAKE HIS HANDS OFF THE WHEEL. THIS IS UTTERLY IRRESPONSIBLE. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=JPTYOYKOTPS
NHTSA ODI 10882937
Jul 5, 2016SteeringSpeed controlBrakes
WHILE TEST DRIVING A MODEL S AT A TESLA STORE, SALES REP TOLD ME TO REMOVE MY HANDS FROM THE STEERING WHEEL WHILE ON AUTO PILOT. CAR SUDDENLY SWERVED TO THE RIGHT AT HIGHWAY SPEEDS CAUSING THE CAR TO LEAVE THE REGULAR LANE I WAS TRAVELING IN. THE TESLA REP INSTRUCTED ME THAT I DID NOT HAVE TO KEEP MY HANDS ON THE WHEEL WHICH LEFT ME UNPREPARED FOR THE SUDDEN SWERVE. NAME/ADDRESS ARE LEFT THIS COMPLAINT OFF DUE TO CONCERN ABOUT THE RETALIATORY NATURE OF THE TESLA CEO. TESLA CEO'S OVERLY DEFENSIVEBEHAVIOR HAS A CHILLING AFFECT ON REPORTING ISSUES.
NHTSA ODI 10882812
May 10, 2016Speed controlCrash
UNINTENDED ACCELERATION OCCURRED ON 2 SEPARATE OCCASIONS WITH 2 DIFFERENT DRIVERS WITHIN 2 WEEKS. MODEL S 70D INCIDENT 1: MY WIFE WAS AT A STOP SIGN. SHE REMOVED HER FOOT FROM THE BRAKE AND BEFORE APPLYING THE ACCELERATOR THE CAR SURGED FORWARD AGGRESSIVELY. SINCE HER FOOT NEVER TOUCHED THE ACCELERATOR SHE WAS ABLE TO APPLY THE BRAKE AND STOP WITHIN 8-10 FEET. SHE WAS VISIBLY SHAKEN WHEN SHE GOT HOME BUT, REGRETTABLY, NO REPORT WAS FILED. INCIDENT 2: ABOUT 2 WEEKS LATER, MAY 6, I WAS PULLING INTO MY GARAGE WITH MY WIFE AND BABY IN THE VEHICLE. 2-3 FEET FROM THE THE GARAGE WALL (IN CREEP MODE) I GENTLY TOUCHED THE BRAKE TO COME TO A STOP. AT THAT POINT THE CAR SURGED FORWARD VERY AGGRESSIVELY. I IMMEDIATELY APPLIED HEAVY BRAKE AND WAS ABLE TO STOP THE CAR IN A FEW FEET (SINCE MY FOOT WAS ALREADY OVER THE BRAKE PEDAL). THE FRONT END HIT THE GARAGE WALL AND PENETRATED 10-12 INCHES CAUSING DRYWALL DAMAGE AND SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO OUR POWDER ROOM ON THE OTHER SIDE. A REPORT WITH TESLA WAS FILED IMMEDIATELY. LOGS WERE DOWLOADED AND SHOW THAT THE ACCELERATOR WAS DEPRESSED TO 97% POWER IN LESS THAN A SECOND AND THAT IT WAS DRIVER ERROR. MY WIFE AND I HAVE A COMBINED 48 YEARS OF ACCIDENT FREE DRIVING AND NEITHER OF US HAVE EVER MISTAKEN CONTROL PEDALS OR HAVE EVER FLOORED A GAS PEDAL IN A SECOND. MY WIFE IS 37, HEALTHY AND A PHYSICIAN, I AM A HEALTHY 42 YEAR OLD PILOT. WE CAN BOTH SAY WITH 100% CERTAINTY THAT NEITHER INCIDENT WAS DRIVER ERROR. TESLA HAS A SERIOUS UNINTENDED ACCELERATION PROBLEM ALSO MADE EVIDENT BY THE OTHER COMPLAINTS FILED ON NHTSA, ALL OF WHICH SEEM TO FALL UNDER SIMILAR OPERATING PARAMETERS. WE NOW HAVE A $90,000 CAR SITTING IN OUR GARAGE THAT IS UNSAFE FOR MY FAMILY, IT SEEMS TESLA IS GOING THE ROUTE OF WAITING FOR INJURY AND DEATHS TO OCCUR BEFORE THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THIS SAFETY DEFECT.
NHTSA ODI 10864163